I have multiple options for my grandmother, Lindalva Ferreira da Silva (Lima)’s birthday.
- She told my mother (her daughter) and thoughout her life celebrated on 7 Oct stating the birth year was 1934 and that she was married at 16 years old.
- She was married on 30 Sep 1950 and I have her marriage record. The priest lists her age as 17 years old, which would mean her birthdate was between 30 Sep 1932 – 30 Sep 1933.
- Her Death Certificate from 6 Jun 1999 states her age at death as 64 which places her birthday from 7 Jun 1937 – 7 Jun 1938. This would, however, make her 12-13 years old when she married, which I find very unlikely. I don’t know who the informant on the death certificate is and what his relation is to Lindalva. He may not have known her age accurately.
I’ll be honest. This has been very distressing to my mother who I think feels that I am calling her mother a liar. I just want to find her birth/christening record. But I don’t know where to look. So I made a chart.
There are 3 parishes and 1 archdiocese in the city of Joao Pesso, Pariba, Brazil. She was married in Nossa Senhora do Rosario, and I have that marriage record. As you can see from the chart, I have yet to find her and all I have left to search are the 1937-38 years (which would make her too young to marry).
I’m not sure where to go from here. I think I will:
- Complete my search of the 1937-38 records for all the parishes.
- Ask my brother, or another set of eyes, to search all the same records. Maybe I just missed her? There is no index. 🙁
- There are no civil records digitized or on microfilm for births after 1931.
- Maybe an aunt could go to the registrars office in Joao Pessoa and find a birth certificate. Or maybe they already have a copy?
All I want is a document as source of her birth! Is that too much to ask?
Posted by jullianalund@gmail.com on 31 January 2013 | Posted in Da Silva, Lima |
I’ve decided to participate in The Family History Writing Challenge this February. I’ve decided that for me, I can do 500 words a day, which will come out to 14,000 words all together…not to shabby!
Now, I just have to decide on the topic. This is where I get hung up. Do I want to write about someone or a family that I’ve already researched, or do I want to start with a new problem? Do I want to stick to one topic or just write about anything I happen to be researching that day?
Here are some ideas:
- Just do blog posts every day with at least 500 words, with any topic that strikes my fancy.
- Marrying the Lunds ::: examining the women that married into the Lund line.
- Lindalva Ferreira da Silva (Lima) ::: My grandmother who’s birthdate is still in question.
- Anna Thome and Jose Ferreira’s Love story ::: Met in Portugal, parents refused to let them marry, Anna followed Jose to Brazil to marry him.
- Ada Rose Taylor ::: Not sure why (probably that she died in childbirth from the same trouble I had with #2) but I have been drawn to her life and story.
So, I will have to make that decision SOON!
And because a post is sad without a picture:
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| My Dad –Nilton– abt 1966. |
Posted by jullianalund@gmail.com on 30 January 2013 | Posted in Writing |
I’m slowly making may way through the pile of obituaries from Aunt Jeanine’s house. I’m scanning them in, along with the funeral program if she had it, and then transcribing everything. These obituaries should be a great help in finding all the descendants of Didrick Funk and Karen Hansdatter Lund. Here’s the one from today for Etta Lund (Witten), their granddaughter:
Source: “Etta Lund Witten,” Obituary, The Ogden Standard Examiner, 22 October 1968 or 23 October 1968, born 15 March 1887, died Monday [21 Oct 1968]. Held by Jeanine Lund (Clountz) (Allen) (Sinsel).
Transcription:
OBITUARIES
Etta Lund Witten
Mrs. Etta Lund Witten, 81, of 2640 Washington, died Monday night in a local nursing home of natural causes.
Mrs. Witten was born March 15, 1887 in Plain City, a daughter of Mathius and Pauline Swenson Lund.
On April 30, 1907, she was married to Robert Alfred Witten in Ogden. The marriage was solemnized in the Salt Lake LDS Temple on Feb. 12, 1908. Mr. Witten died Feb. 21, 1937, in Ogden.
She had resided in Plain City and Perry, and most of her life in Ogden. She was formerly employed by the Shupe-Williams Candy Co.
She was a member of Daughters of Utah Pioneers, 3rd LDS Ward and had been a Relief Society teacher.
Surviving are four daughters, Mrs. Lionel (Ivy) Ipsen, Clovis Calif.; Mrs. Robert (Myrtle) Parsley, Panorama City, Calif.; Mrs. James (Verda) Faulkner, Ogden; Mrs. Tom (Carma) Dixon, Las Vegas, Nev.; six grandchildren, nine great-grandchildren, one brother and two sisters, Heber C. Lund, Farr West; Mrs. Rosella Cottle, Plain City; Mrs. Frank (Clide) Heslop, Tremonton.
Funeral services will be held Friday at 11 a.m. at Lindquists and Sons Colonial Chapel.
Friends may call at the mortuary Thrusday from7 to 9 p.m. and Friday until services. Burial in the Ogden City Cemetery.
What I Learned:
- Where she was living when she died.
- Support for her birth date and place and parents. (There were no birth certificates for this date/time).
- Support for her wedding date, my date came from a family group sheet.
- Death date for her husband.
- Where she worked.
- Names of her four daughters and husbands…didn’t know any of this.
- When the funeral was held.
- Where she was buried.
What a goldmine!
Posted by jullianalund@gmail.com on 6 December 2012 | Posted in Obituary |
My brother-in-law is getting into genealogy. He chose a line of the family I haven’t done any research on and got really excited to see the the work that was “already done.” His excitement quickly turned into annoyance when he discovered that none of what he found in online trees was sourced and that he had wasted a lot of time adding three generations to his tree that may not even be related! As I talked with him during our Thanksgiving get-together, I tried to emphasize the one big thing to remember:
If it doesn’t have a source, it’s not true (yet).
Yes, the topic of sources is a big one and the nuances of each source type and its veracity in relation to any particular event or fact could be, and has been, discussed in depth. However, put very simply: I may suspect something, and possibly use family “knowledge” to help guide my search but until I have proof, it’s not true. It’s a frustrating lesson to learn but a very important one.
The ancestor in question: Mary Ann Waller (Mills).
At the party we were unable to find her death certificate online at the Utah State Archives…I was hoping to show him what kind of information he could get from that kind of record. Later, at home, I did find it:
Here’s part of the email I sent my BIL with suggestions on where he may look next:
I have also attached Mary Ann Waller (Mills) (Hatton)’s death certificate. She did remarry, which is why we didn’t find her death certificate the other day. I have not yet updated my database. This is the information I currently have for her:
Mary Ann Waller
b: 16 Jun 1838, Bagshot, Surrey, England, United Kingdom
d: 25 Oct 1925, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, United States
m: 1855 to William Mills
Parents: Sammuel Waller and Diana Wild
Children: Annie Chelsea Mills
I don’t have any verification for any of it! I’m sure she had more children. I don’t know if she was married in England or in Utah.
Here’s the interesting thing about her death certificate – It has slightly different dates and names for her parents.
Mary Ann Mills Hatton
Born: 16 January 1838, England
Died: 29 October 1928 (at home – 1788 So. 11 East, SLC)
Parents: Josiah Waller and Margaret Wild
The Informant was Edith P. Fowler who may be related…a married daughter, perhaps? Not sure.
I don’t know for sure that this is our Mary Ann but I believe that it is.
From here we could try to find her in a census record living with Richard Hatton. Since William Mills (her first husband) died in 1887 she may be in the census with Richard as early as 1890 (which was destroyed), but also in 1900, 1910, or 1920. If some of her other known children (which we don’t know yet but will have to find) are also living with her, that would be evidence that this Mary Ann is our Mary Ann.
To find her other children, we can try to find her in censuses with her first husband, William Mills. I’m not sure when they immigrated to the US but we could start with 1860, then go on to 1870 and 1880.
Posted by jullianalund@gmail.com on 5 December 2012 | Posted in Death Certificate, Mills, Waller |
